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  How did it come to this?

  by New day in

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  i am now in my early 60’s.

  i was baptized in 1980. i served as a ministerial servant and an elder.

  i gave my all for many years but about eight years ago i started to question many things.

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  joey jojo

  And if you try to talk to your old JW friends about it, they will end up shunning you. Then they will tell others in the cong about you, and they will tell others and they will shun you too.

  After giving your youth to the organisaton and turning your back on your dreams and interests, your reward for being honest is to have all of your social network taken off you, including friends you may have had for decades.

  How can any JW that lived through the 80's and 90's and then witnessed first hand all the changes to doctrine that came later, not question their beliefs?

  How did it come to this?

  JW's are conditioned to place loyalty above honesty.
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  Jw shot and killed in field service!

  by nowwhat? in

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  another example of jehovah protects his people except when he doesn't.

  https://www.wifr.com/2023/02/12/rockford-police-54-year-old-man-shot-killed-vehicle/.

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  joey jojo

  RTN: Sorry - I mean does anonymous really believe that Chicago has the most stringest gun laws in the world?
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  Jw shot and killed in field service!

  by nowwhat? in

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  another example of jehovah protects his people except when he doesn't.

  https://www.wifr.com/2023/02/12/rockford-police-54-year-old-man-shot-killed-vehicle/.

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  joey jojo

  Anony Mous
  In regards gun laws, this person was already not permitted to have a gun, this happened near Chicago, an area with the most stringent gun laws in the world (even worse than Europe).

  Are you being serious?
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  How to debunk the 1914 calculus ONLY using JW publications?

  by psyco in

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  i remember having read somewhere, but i cannot find it anymore, that it is possible to debunk the 1914 calculus using only jw publications, like "insight on the scriptures" (chronologies) for example.. do you have any sources about that to suggest to me?.

  thanks..

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  joey jojo

  Scholar , Im surprised that a man of your massive intellect, superior knowledge and boundless humility has the time to descend to the depths of us ordinary, simple humans and bestow your greatness upon us.
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  Wedding Anniversary #62

  by smiddy3 in

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  hi friends , i thought i would just let you know it`s my wife and i, 62nd wedding anniversary today.. not that we were able to celebrate much as my wife wasn`t up to it today .. however i did manage to give her a couple of champers at home ,while i had a couple o ales with friends down at the club and managed to put on lotto for tonite and a couple of keno`s from the club ,you never know the god`s might smile upon us for doing something right after all these years.?.

  take care guys.. smiddy 3.

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  joey jojo

  Happy anniversary Smiddy 👍
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  Threats in field service?

  by enoughisenough in

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  in reading about the 54 year old man being shot, i was wondering if any of you were ever shot at, or threatened with a gun.. i was in a car group where a woman came out waving around, telling us to get off her land.

  in another situation a man told the car group to turn and leave or he was calling the cops.

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  joey jojo

  Just the usual 'f*ck off' and stuff like that. I remember one guy ripping into my father because he was 'dragging his kids around in the heat'. It was in Queensland and a tropical 36 degrees celsius at the time so he probably had a point.
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  Bait and Switch "Bible studies"

  by Vanderhoven7 in

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  2. bible

  mark jones, a witness for over 30 years describes what jws call bible studies offered to the public.. .

  "they (jehovah's witnesses) offer you a free home “bible” study - which turns out to be a study of a watchtower publication with the bible brought out as an afterthought to try and prop up whatever current idea the governing body are claiming is “the truth” this week.. i think it’s underhanded.. when my parents became jehovah’s witnesses and they offered people a free home “bible” study, this is what they brought to study with them:.

  what, did you think they were going to study the bible with you?.

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  joey jojo

  They would probably shocked to hear it, but JW's have no personal beliefs or convictions of their own.

  They are only allowed to believe the latest teachings from the GB - not the bible, regardless of whether those teachings contradict what they believed and preached in the past was truth.
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  How tall was Goliath?

  by joey jojo in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  goliath was a big dude, 6 cubits and a span, or about 9 feet 9 inches.

  the septuagint version of the bible and the dead sea scrolls, on the other hand, both state his height as 4 cubits and a span, or 6 feet 9 inches.. his armour weighed a bit over 40 kg, about the same weight as a modern soldier would carry.

  his spear sounds impressively heavy at 600 shekels, however , this is only about 6 kg (13 lbs), easily carried by a man of average strength, let alone someone with training.. the difference lies in whether we should believe the masoretic version of the bible, or the septuagint.. the masoretic text was written about 1000 years later than the septuagint and it is what the new world translation and a lot of protestant bibles are based on.. although the septuagint was accepted by 1st century jews, it is believed that medieval jews were not happy with the septuagint, as it lent weight to the argument that pointed to jesus as the messiah and they wanted to distinguish the jewish tradition from christianity.. jesus and other new testament writers (whoever they were) quoted the septuagint.. in an effort to support his own world view and to distance himself from the catholic church, martin luther chose the masoretic text over the septuagint on which to base his translation, which is ironic as the masoretic text was written, partly to separate itself from christianity.. when someone says they 'believe the bible', or, they 'live their life on what the bible says'- can that person really explain how they can trust the history and process of whatever bible they believe in came to be?.

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  joey jojo

  'Any chance I get to quote Leolaia's hard work I do'

  I agree.

  I didn't look up this topic on this site before I posted, I assumed it had been covered in some way already. This kind of stuff is really interesting.
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  How tall was Goliath?

  by joey jojo in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  goliath was a big dude, 6 cubits and a span, or about 9 feet 9 inches.

  the septuagint version of the bible and the dead sea scrolls, on the other hand, both state his height as 4 cubits and a span, or 6 feet 9 inches.. his armour weighed a bit over 40 kg, about the same weight as a modern soldier would carry.

  his spear sounds impressively heavy at 600 shekels, however , this is only about 6 kg (13 lbs), easily carried by a man of average strength, let alone someone with training.. the difference lies in whether we should believe the masoretic version of the bible, or the septuagint.. the masoretic text was written about 1000 years later than the septuagint and it is what the new world translation and a lot of protestant bibles are based on.. although the septuagint was accepted by 1st century jews, it is believed that medieval jews were not happy with the septuagint, as it lent weight to the argument that pointed to jesus as the messiah and they wanted to distinguish the jewish tradition from christianity.. jesus and other new testament writers (whoever they were) quoted the septuagint.. in an effort to support his own world view and to distance himself from the catholic church, martin luther chose the masoretic text over the septuagint on which to base his translation, which is ironic as the masoretic text was written, partly to separate itself from christianity.. when someone says they 'believe the bible', or, they 'live their life on what the bible says'- can that person really explain how they can trust the history and process of whatever bible they believe in came to be?.

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  joey jojo

  Goliath was a big dude, 6 cubits and a span, or about 9 feet 9 inches.

  Or was he?

  The Septuagint version of the bible and the dead sea scrolls, on the other hand, both state his height as 4 cubits and a span, or 6 feet 9 inches.

  His armour weighed a bit over 40 kg, about the same weight as a modern soldier would carry. His spear sounds impressively heavy at 600 shekels, however , this is only about 6 kg (13 lbs), easily carried by a man of average strength, let alone someone with training.

  The difference lies in whether we should believe the Masoretic version of the bible, or the Septuagint.

  The Masoretic text was written about 1000 years later than the Septuagint and it is what the New World Translation and a lot of Protestant bibles are based on.

  Although the Septuagint was accepted by 1st century Jews, it is believed that medieval Jews were not happy with the Septuagint, as it lent weight to the argument that pointed to Jesus as the messiah and they wanted to distinguish the Jewish tradition from Christianity.

  Jesus and other new testament writers (whoever they were) quoted the Septuagint.

  In an effort to support his own world view and to distance himself from the Catholic Church, Martin Luther chose the Masoretic text over the Septuagint on which to base his translation, which is ironic as the Masoretic text was written, partly to separate itself from Christianity.

  When someone says they 'believe the bible', or, they 'live their life on what the bible says'- can that person really explain how they can trust the history and process of whatever bible they believe in came to be?

  This is just a quick overview. Im sure there are many on this site that could explain this topic more clearly. It really grates me that so many people around the world are fed this stuff without question and are taught their way is the only right way.
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  mentally ill/delusional or con artist?

  by enoughisenough in

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  2. beliefs

  maybe this has been discussed in the past and i wasn't here... what do you think?

  are the gb members knowingly pulling a con, or do they have delusions of grandeur?

  i will go out on a limb here to say that i think they are con artist.

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  joey jojo

  Tonus:
  "And yet, learning years later about stuff that they knew, I can't fathom how they could be so loyal and faithful if they knew the things they knew. Were they really that good at deceiving everyone around them? I think they had deceived themselves, because I never got the impression (and in some cases, still do not) that they were being insincere."

  Exactly-the only way for a GB member to remain loyal to the organisation is to be dishonest. They have to be in order to push beliefs that they know are false.

  For an example of a high-level JW in action, remember watching Rod Spinks performance at the Royal Comission into child abuse?

  Here it is for anyone that missed it:

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AUAfgKdTeuQ&list=PLFiAod55UtbGcuR_y3RoTggp8wTZA6oec